Music stereotypes

[Electro Tomato]

I bet you don't like thrashcore ):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liri_bI7JUg
<3

[vedicardi]

I knew I could count on you ET

[tibiazak]

When am I wrong?

...Not touching that one. ;) Also, assuming that link from ET was thrashcore: well, I'd rather listen to that than grind, but that's as much of a compliment as it gets from me :P

[Electro Tomato]

See, in order to get into this stuff, you just have to drop your predisposed hatred for dissonance. Dissonance is just something that people can't stand in music, which is weird, because people will claim to like classical to try and make themselves seem more musically versed, but classical has tons of dissonance. Constant opiate release through constant opiating consonance in music only goes so far.

[aander91]

Yeah, but generally there's a resolution in classical music. Btw, are we taking classical as in the musical period or classical as in the whole genre? I personally don't dislike this stuff, but I really only enjoy most of it for the novelty, as in its good once in a while but I really don't think I could actively listen to it (however there are some exceptions).

In my opinion, the best music thrives on contrast and when your song is blast beats/breakdowns the whole way, totally dissonant, and not much variation in the styles used then I think it's generally very boring. The best metal songwriting in my opinion is upbeat, relaxed, melodic, badass, complex, and straightforward.

[Electro Tomato]

Yeah, but generally there's a resolution in classical music. Btw, are we taking classical as in the musical period or classical as in the whole genre? I personally don't dislike this stuff, but I really only enjoy most of it for the novelty, as in its good once in a while but I really don't think I could actively listen to it (however there are some exceptions).

In my opinion, the best music thrives on contrast and when your song is blast beats/breakdowns the whole way, totally dissonant, and not much variation in the styles used then I think it's generally very boring. The best metal songwriting in my opinion is upbeat, relaxed, melodic, badass, complex, and straightforward.

There's resolution in extreme metal too, it just doesn't come in the form of entire movements of major chords. Percussion really doesn't account in the overall dissonance/consonance in metal because it tends to be aggressive all the time, so the main way to recognize release is really only through the guitar. Diminished fifth interval riffs give way to octave/power chord breakdowns, which are technically consonant because of the chord voicings.

I mean, it's death metal, it's not going to sound "nice".

[aander91]

I mean, it's death metal, it's not going to sound "nice".

Sup.

Also, yeah, it's melodic death metal, sure, but I'd say Athiest pulls this off as well without ever really loosening up.

By the by, I've yet to hear a deathcore song that I thought wasn't bullsht in terms of songwriting. That's basically what I've been thinking of as my examples.

[crazy.neo]

Different people like different music, dissonance sounds well for some, not others. It doesn't make it any better, exclusive or anything like that. It's just another characterist to appreciate in music. You can't just "drop" it, like Electro claims, because it relates to tastes, culture, geographical setting and much more than can't be actively changed. Remember, somewhere in the world, there's someone that gets as much enjoyment and stimulation out of Justin Bieber as I get out of Death From Above 1979.

[tibiazak]

I'm okay with dissonance. Honestly, the main thing that I didn't like about either of those songs (the grind and thrashcore ones) was the vocal style. Screaming? Fine. Those two types of screaming? Shoot me now. Seriously, the really really low and really really high screams can kill an otherwise amazing song for me (with a few exceptions). Also, what Crazy said.

[vedicardi]

Metal always has resolution. That's what the constant open E picking is.
Yeah, it usually comes down to people not liking the vocals. It really grows on you. You just have to let it grow on you

-- Edit: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:04 pm --

I mean, it's death metal, it's not going to sound "nice".

Sup.

Also, yeah, it's melodic death metal, sure, but I'd say Athiest pulls this off as well without ever really loosening up.

By the by, I've yet to hear a deathcore song that I thought wasn't bullsht in terms of songwriting. That's basically what I've been thinking of as my examples.

melodeath aint fvckin death metal

[aander91]

melodeath aint fvckin death metal

called eet

[Ambiguity]

Yeah, it usually comes down to people not liking the vocals. It really grows on you. You just have to let it grow on you.

Agreed, I really didn't like the extremely high screams in death metal(though I loved the lows), but all the sudden it just started to work well with the songs the more I listened.

I still favor "bass-ier" sounds in music(no matter the "instrument"), but I've learned to enjoy the treble side of music as well(not as much as my bro though, I still can't stand Muse :\).

[Electro Tomato]

I mean, it's death metal, it's not going to sound "nice".

Sup.

Also, yeah, it's melodic death metal, sure, but I'd say Athiest pulls this off as well without ever really loosening up.

By the by, I've yet to hear a deathcore song that I thought wasn't bullsht in terms of songwriting. That's basically what I've been thinking of as my examples.

Skyfire is really closer to power metal than death metal by a huge margin. Power metal sounds pretty.

And, well, Atheist is closer to progressive thrash than death metal really. Their sound developed as death metal developed, so they don't have the trademarks of a pure death metal band. The progressive side is what sounds pretty, not the metal.

By the by, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYifxW7UxjQ