FoFiX lag on Win7

[Twer]

Yeah, I know there are lots of other topics from the same problem, but I seriously want to get this s**t solved. Couldn't have played the game for like a 8 months because of this

Ok, a bit back in time.
I updated my Windows XP to Windows 7. After that, all the other games work better than with WinXP, except FoF. Yeah, it's a horrible lag that I have now.

I already have updated all the drivers I could, and my PC runs FoFiX perfectly on the old XP partition.

Video, part 1
Part 2

If someone already has solved this problem, please tell it.

Have fun playing a working FoF,
Twer

[angellinus]

Answered all Win7 FoFix Lag for about 3 times. Download OpenGL google it.

[Lysdestic]

Answered all Win7 FoFix Lag for about 3 times. Download OpenGL google it.

...Wait...What?

Stay the hell out of Tech Support, Angellinus. You have some of the most obtuse suggestions in this section, and someone has to say something.

There is no need to download OpenGL. None. For all the time I've spent playing this game that has never been a necessary requirement. Ever.

The best I can tell you is try your other drivers or try a different version of FoFiX. Your video seems to behave as it would without video card drivers, though. But as you said, you've already updated those.

[(51)]

I upgraded from WinXP to Win7 and experienced no change (lag) in the game. I am running a 5 year old computer (AGP graphics card) with a Pentium 4 processor.

Have you tried a different theme? Rockband 2 and Lego Rockband work well for me, but you might try a "light" theme for starters.

Does your computer have sufficient memory?

Have you:
Shut down other programs running in the background?
Turned off shaders?
Turned off or down anti-aliasing?
Set the FPS limiter?

There are a lot of tweaks in the video settings.

[nobby76]

Answered all Win7 FoFix Lag for about 3 times. Download OpenGL google it.

...Wait...What?

Stay the hell out of Tech Support, Angellinus. You have some of the most obtuse suggestions in this section, and someone has to say something.

There is no need to download OpenGL. None. For all the time I've spent playing this game that has never been a necessary requirement. Ever.

The best I can tell you is try your other drivers or try a different version of FoFiX. Your video seems to behave as it would without video card drivers, though. But as you said, you've already updated those.

Seems odd that on at least 2 occasions i myself had told people to get openGL and the first response back has been " OMG thank you so much, it works now" which WOULD suggest that Ogl had actually fixed their problems.
Newer cards do not hold that much Ogl functionality as its not something that is used all that much nowadays ( aside from fof ) so it seems perfectly reasonable that if a game that requires Ogl is being run on a cards that doesn't really have good Ogl functionality, Would run badly ( as if it hadn't got graphics drivers installed )
So suggesting getting OGL drivers is a perfectly valid suggestion.

And WTF dude. Angellinus has suggested something that several other people suggest several times ( and has fixed the issue for the person) and you go be a pr1ck to him, telling him to stay out of tech support. Whats up with that.. Telling someone to stay out of tech support for offering a dumb reason yeah i can understand, but he suggested something that many others have suggested, and you only have a dig at him for it hardly seems fair.

[angellinus]

Okay okay........... we havent heard for Twer yet for my solution. Better wait for him.

[Lysdestic]

Seems odd that on at least 2 occasions i myself had told people to get openGL and the first response back has been " OMG thank you so much, it works now" which WOULD suggest that Ogl had actually fixed their problems.

All right, I'll play along. Angellinus suggests googling OpenGL. Cool, first result? Their site. Logical, no?

Development Tools plenty, but uh, maybe I'm blind, but I am not seeing anything that is comparable to the DirectX runtime. The only time that solution would work would be on the development version (Read: SVN!) where the Python-OpenGL bindings are necessary, but never for a binary release.

Also, the final nail in your argument. From the OpenGL wiki:

Windows:

If you are running Windows 98/Me/NT/2000/XP/2003/Vista, the OpenGL library has already been installed on your system.

Remember that GL is a system component on Windows. DO NOT modify or copy OpenGL32.dll from one OS to another. The filename is OpenGL32.dll and is either in WINDOWS\SYSTEM, WINNT\SYSTEM32 or WINDOWS\SYSTEM32. This also means that you do not have to ship a copy of the library with your application since it will already be available on the system.

The standard Windows OpenGL32.dll library alone will not provide you with hardware acceleration for OpenGL. In order to get hardware acceleration, you will need to install the latest drivers for your graphics card. The second reason to install new drivers is to have the latest version of GL on your system (the max version supported by your GPU):

Newer cards do not hold that much Ogl functionality as its not something that is used all that much nowadays ( aside from fof ) so it seems perfectly reasonable that if a game that requires Ogl is being run on a cards that doesn't really have good Ogl functionality, Would run badly ( as if it hadn't got graphics drivers installed )
So suggesting getting OGL drivers is a perfectly valid suggestion.

To my knowledge, OpenGL has never been separate from the Video Driver. That is where this misinformation I complained about comes into play. Per the above text, OpenGL support comes from Graphics Drivers themselves, which, if you'd note, our friend up here said he has already updated.

Granted, he'd be far better off double checking that, as Video Drivers do affect the issues he is seeing, and OpenGL, of course. But I've never seen a way to just "download OpenGL" and the text I quoted pretty much confirms that.

Also, you have a nasty habit of saying things with no basis in fact, Nobby. OpenGL not used much these days? My ass. Steam Client on Mac must be using DirectX, huh? All those Open Source games too, since DirectX is GPL compatible.

And WTF dude. Angellinus has suggested something that several other people suggest several times ( and has fixed the issue for the person) and you go be a pr1ck to him, telling him to stay out of tech support. Whats up with that.. Telling someone to stay out of tech support for offering a dumb reason yeah i can understand, but he suggested something that many others have suggested, and you only have a dig at him for it hardly seems fair.

Lot's of people on this forum post things all the time as solutions that are blatantly false and full of misinformation. Tech Support here is a cesspool, and I'm surprised people ever walk away successfully. I mean nothing personal by it, I'm just sick of seeing such misinformation on this forum. It's disgusting.

Finally, at the OP. Give us more specs. Your card, your FoFiX version, etc. (51) has the right idea in this thread. Alternatively, you could try different releases of FoFiX, and likewise, different releases of your graphics drivers.

[nobby76]

No basis or fact hmmmm, im pretty sure i mentioned that i solved at least 2 peoples lag issues by telling them to make sure they have openGL capabilities, then they come back and say " thank you, its working now" im pretty sure that counts as fact. but whatever.
I just think you should just go easy on people for offering help, even if it isnt 100% correct at least hes putting in the effort to help. so where the heck do you get the right to tell him not to post in here??? We have all posted dumb, pointless incorrect stuff ( including both you and i ) and if someone told us to stay out of a particular section of forum because of it we wouldn't like it, so how about you extend the same courtesy to others... might make you seem less of an ass then.. but thats just my theory.

[Lysdestic]

No basis or fact hmmmm, im pretty sure i mentioned that i solved at least 2 peoples lag issues by telling them to make sure they have openGL capabilities, then they come back and say " thank you, its working now" im pretty sure that counts as fact. but whatever.

If you are running the SVN install and you do not have the Python-OpenGL bindings then yes. Of course, those are separate from OpenGL itself.

If you are on a clean install of Windows and you do not have your Graphics drivers, then again, yes, since your Graphics Drivers contain everything you need to be OpenGL capable.

There is no solution that simply consists of "just install OpenGL" for any binary release.

I'm pretty sure that misinformation doesn't count as fact, but, whatever.

I just think you should just go easy on people for offering help, even if it isnt 100% correct at least hes putting in the effort to help. so where the heck do you get the right to tell him not to post in here??? We have all posted dumb, pointless incorrect stuff ( including both you and i ) and if someone told us to stay out of a particular section of forum because of it we wouldn't like it, so how about you extend the same courtesy to others... might make you seem less of an ass then.. but thats just my theory.

Maybe I was a little harsh, sure. But these constant incorrect posts in this section are getting old. I've seen enough posts here from people like Angellinus that if it's blatantly wrong, I'm going to point it out, and no, I won't hold my tongue.

I'm not sure what citations you have for me being wrong, but I'm sure it has happened. But never would I offer such a seemingly simple answer that is that incorrect, followed by, "just google it."

[angellinus]

Well.......Win7 FoFix lag is fixed by downloading OpenGL for me.....
I downloaded (MINE) from here if you dont wanna google: OpenGL. Since I have an NVidia GCard, it worked for me. But IDK for other VidCards (or those who don't have at all).... Wont hurt if you tried it......

[raph666]

To my knowledge, OpenGL has never been separate from the Video Driver. That is where this misinformation I complained about comes into play. Per the above text, OpenGL support comes from Graphics Drivers themselves, which, if you'd note, our friend up here said he has already updated.

I downloaded (MINE) from here if you dont wanna google: OpenGL. Since I have an NVidia GCard, it worked for me. But IDK for other VidCards (or those who don't have at all).... Wont hurt if you tried it......

So you downloaded newer graphics card drivers, as recommended by Lysdestic. Lys might be rude sometimes, but he's often right.

[nobby76]

more to the point angellius downloaded separate open GL drivers, separate to the standard Vid card drivers

[Lysdestic]

Even more to the point they are the normal NVidia drivers with improved support for newer versions of OpenGL. Which, I still don't see the how that improves FoFiX itself, but I'll take his word for it.

[Twer]

*Back to topic*
So, I've read all the messages now, and every one of them is about OpenGL. Just wondering how.. As I've said on my latest topics, I already have downloaded everything and updated every driver and program which could've helped me.
Btw, I'm using Asus EN9600GT (NVidia GeForce 9600 GT) graphics card.

Just wondering how come this game is working on WinXP, but not on Win7. And on WinXP, I don't even have the latest drivers.

[Lysdestic]

*Back to topic*
So, I've read all the messages now, and every one of them is about OpenGL. Just wondering how.. As I've said on my latest topics, I already have downloaded everything and updated every driver and program which could've helped me.
Btw, I'm using Asus EN9600GT (NVidia GeForce 9600 GT) graphics card.

Just wondering how come this game is working on WinXP, but not on Win7. And on WinXP, I don't even have the latest drivers.

Exactly, they were suggesting you get OpenGL, I stated they were wrong because OpenGL is part of your graphics drivers.

(51) Has some good suggestions a few posts above in terms of things you could try to tweak performance.

You could also try different releases of your Video Driver to see what happens as well.

If you don't mind listing complete specs and what version you are running, that could help.

The answer for it running better on XP could be anything, the more we know, the more we can determine.