Music stereotypes

[aander91]

It's demonstrably untrue in the sense that they can recognize good non-pop music of many varieties. It's just not that important to them.

That's like saying you know whether or not a God exists, but not telling because "its a sekrit".

I hate people who listen to pop because they're supporting people who essentially pss on music as a whole.

[mrstuprigge]

It's demonstrably untrue in the sense that they can recognize good non-pop music of many varieties. It's just not that important to them.

That's like saying you know whether or not a God exists, but not telling because "its a sekrit".

I hate people who listen to pop because they're supporting people who essentially pss on music as a whole.

i get what he is saying. i was in choir in high school and everyone in it was pretty knowledgeable when it came to music theory, but most of them listened to pop music. i could show them a complex song and they could acknowledge that it is impressive, but they wouldn't listen to it on their own time because it isn't important to them. they just value catchiness over complexity or skill.

and i do enjoy some pop music, but there has to be at least a little bit of talent or emotion put into it

[aander91]

I feel like maybe I'm being too vague on what I consider pop. Lil Wayne is pop. I have no respect for him or his music, and same goes for most of the fans. His music is corporate garbage, it's a product devoid of any emotion or artistic expression, so why would I be okay if you support something that I'm so adamantly against? Music is art, don't turn it into a business.

When I was in school, people would rant and rave about how he was the "hardest working man in America". Their reasoning was because of how many songs he was writing. What a bunch of ignorant a*sholes. From my experience, pop fans aren't so much ignorant as pop music itself breeds the ignorance.

[Ambiguity]

Music is art, don't turn it into a business..

I get what you mean, but most all music artists sell their "art", which is part of "business".....so yeah.

I really do know what you mean though. It's like how Justin Beiber is just terrible, and every record company he went to knew that. Then Usher helped him, so they then knew they could make money off of Beiber's crap.

[amak11]

Well to be REALLY contraversal. Carpentry is an art, and they sell they their things in a business-like mannor. What im getting at is that a lot of the music industry cashes in on artist, very few of them now-a-days that are free are genres you really want (who the hell listens to gospel music, nothing against it).


Now for sterotypes, hmm. In my area, metal heads hate all other genres and assume death metal is true metal. Emo/Punk people in my area are more into getting peicings and tatoos and such. Um, old people listen to classic rock and country, blah blah, depressed people listen to country... that's my shpeil on it

[aander91]

Music is art, don't turn it into a business..

I get what you mean, but most all music artists sell their "art", which is part of "business".....so yeah.

Let me clarify:

Don't write music to sell, write it because it's good. If you don't have something new to show us, then I just don't know why you should be a musician in the first place.

[Jama7301]

Music is art, don't turn it into a business..

I get what you mean, but most all music artists sell their "art", which is part of "business".....so yeah.

Let me clarify:

Don't write music to sell, write it because it's good. If you don't have something new to show us, then I just don't know why you should be a musician in the first place.

I don't think Dream Theater is good. I don't think a lot of bands people on this site like are good. Subjective term is subjective.

[amak11]

Don't write music to sell, write it because it's good.

This is really vague. Yes obviously, dont write music to sell. But how would you write music and have it be good. It's not even the artist who decides whether it's good. It's their fans that decide that.

[Jama7301]

Don't write music to sell, write it because it's good.

This is really vague. Yes obviously, dont write music to sell. But how would you write music and have it be good. It's not even the artist who decides whether it's good. It's their fans that decide that.

And of course if you hate pop music, you're going to think it's bad, no matter what the millions of fans say.

[RedShadow]

It's good because it has emotion, stories, feelings. It has a real purpose other than : "Hurr imah make a catchy song about pop so I can getz money"
I really don't see what's so vague about it.

[Jama7301]

It's good because it has emotion, stories, feelings. It has a real purpose other than : "Hurr imah make a catchy song about pop so I can getz money"
I really don't see what's so vague about it.

Catchy songs aren't always bad.

Making money isn't bad.

If it's so simple and emotionless, anyone should be able to do it and make a profit.

Also: *Points back to his elitist comment*

[Nathaniel607]

It's good because it has emotion, stories, feelings. It has a real purpose other than : "Hurr imah make a catchy song about pop so I can getz money"
I really don't see what's so vague about it.

Catchy songs aren't always bad.

Making money isn't bad.

If it's so simple and emotionless, anyone should be able to do it and make a profit.

Also: *Points back to his elitist comment*

I'm an amateur musician around Grade 4 music theory. Let me tell you, it IS VERY EASY to write a catchy pop song, not unlike what you'd find in the chart. Ungodly easy. Seriously. The thing that's hard is "getting popular". You need to be in the right place at the right time, have the right image etcetera. It's all rubbish. I'd much rather write music with some depth to it and have a small fan base than write uninspired formulaic crap (which, trust me, is exactly what 90% of the top 40 is) and get super rich.

[aander91]

Let me clarify:

Don't write music to sell, write it because it's good. If you don't have something new to show us, then I just don't know why you should be a musician in the first place.

I don't think Dream Theater is good. I don't think a lot of bands people on this site like are good. Subjective term is subjective.

No, I mean this is what should be going through the musicians head when he/she is writing. Not "I want to write a song that's going to make me a millionaire", but "I want to write something new and expressive".

I think we can all pretty much agree on this much, leaving no room for subjectivity.

[Jama7301]

Let me clarify:

Don't write music to sell, write it because it's good. If you don't have something new to show us, then I just don't know why you should be a musician in the first place.

I don't think Dream Theater is good. I don't think a lot of bands people on this site like are good. Subjective term is subjective.

No, I mean this is what should be going through the musicians head when he/she is writing. Not "I want to write a song that's going to make me a millionaire", but "I want to write something new and expressive".

I think we can all pretty much agree on this much, leaving no room for subjectivity.

No.

Not all music is new, and that's including more than pop. Granted, Pop as a genre has stagnated, but they aren't the only ones who are just going through the motions. Look at a lot of rock that's popular today. Breaking Benjamin, Three Day's Grace, Skillet, et al sounds similar and boring to me.

Stop pushing your ideals onto an INDUSTRY. Your ideals are not 100% correct, nor should blanket statements be made about music as a whole.

Besides, I can still find enjoyment from some pop artists. Does that mean I'm an idiot, uncultured, etc?

[aander91]

Stop pushing your ideals onto an INDUSTRY.

And that's my biggest gripe with pop. It's more than an industry than any other genre. And don't think that I feel this way only with pop, I agree with you 100% with the bands you listed. However I see no reason whatsoever that an artist should ever write to sell, except maybe if they're writing a jingle for a commercial, but that's still something that I'm kind of on the fence about.

My mom listens to a Christian Rock station 24/7. Nearly EVERY SINGLE SONG IS THE SAME DAMN THING. Literally. The lyrics are predictable as hell (and don't say they're limited, you don't have to say "HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD" every damn song), the melodies are elementary and you end up getting multiple songs played right after each other that use the same exact chord progression, hell, even the instrument choices are the same. There's also the soft guitar running chords while the singer takes control and the sweeping orchestra kicks in, then when it backs off to get quiet, the bassist does this horrible LEAD line that completely destroys the balance of the song and butchers the melodic focus. Seriously. They ALL follow this same format.

What does this say about the genre as a whole? Well, maybe with Christian pop rock, the listeners like this kind of thing, so it would make sense to put it in there.

If my assumptions are correct, then we've just ran into one of my biggest pet peeves with music composition. When writing, you should write for one person. YOU. You should write it because you think it's good and that you've done the song justice. When you're writing using a formula, then you have no reason to judge it. If you've followed the formula, then it's "right".