EOF 1.3 (Old Version)

[raynebc]

I'm pretty sure the real problem is when the user clicks a note it sometimes moves by a pixel and that could cause it to be positioned in the previous beat. I have been working on a solution to this but haven't gotten it to work yet. Basically I want to have a slight delay when the user clicks before a note can be dragged so these accidental moves don't occur.

Sounds good to me. All too often have I tried to merely select a beat anchor only to accidentally end up moving it.

[Philfireball]

any idea with my described problem wth eighthnote_hopo's? Even though I'm more convinced meanwhile that it's an FOF problem ...

[NewCreature]

any idea with my described problem wth eighthnote_hopo's? Even though I'm more convinced meanwhile that it's an FOF problem ...

I did a test to see if the same problem occurs with regular 12th-note HOPOs. They work just fine at high BPM. My guess is the code that handles 8th-note HOPO calculations in whatever mod you are using is slightly off.

[Kotti]

Is it possible to use this like Feedback? Last time I had to use this, I had to use mouse to everything which almost made me throw the mouse out the window.

I don't know how Feedback works but I will consider new input ideas if you can explain how you want it to work.

Cool. Here are the most important things in dB (except anchors, I don't know how they work)

Up/down arrow: Move forward and backward.
Left/right arrow: Change note spacement.
12345: Place notes.
Space: Play song.

I have Finnish keyboard so these might be different for you:
2 keys next to backspace: Change BPM. With shift, changes 0,01 instead of normal 1.
Key next to right shift: Change playback rate.

You do everything with keyboard in dB.

[NewCreature]

Cool. Here are the most important things in dB (except anchors, I don't know how they work)

Up/down arrow: Move forward and backward.
Left/right arrow: Change note spacement.
12345: Place notes.
Space: Play song.

I have Finnish keyboard so these might be different for you:
2 keys next to backspace: Change BPM. With shift, changes 0,01 instead of normal 1.
Key next to right shift: Change playback rate.

Sounds reasonable. I'll probably add this under "Feedback" in the Input Method selector.

[Kotti]

Sounds reasonable. I'll probably add this under "Feedback" in the Input Method selector.

That's great . Also, I forgot a few things:

Shift + up: Choose notes.
Ctrl + up/down: Move selected notes forward/backward. If no notes is selected, move everything from ahead.
Ctrl + left/right: Same as above, but makes yellow blue, blue orange and so on. Kinda dangerous though, dB doesn't have Ctrl-z (EOF has?) so that might ruin everything.
Ctrl-c / Ctrl-v: copy/paste.

[holystoneH]

any idea with my described problem wth eighthnote_hopo's? Even though I'm more convinced meanwhile that it's an FOF problem ...

i know that your song I - storm i ride has this problem and it should be a fof problem because

1. in eof the note that have the problem is displayed as hopo
2. in feedback this note is also a hopo

only fof have problems with this

but there is in fof a option for this problem just go if you are using the alarian mod with the latest mfh hotfix to settings, HoPo timing, and set it to more. only problem is that now maybe notes that should not be hopos are hopos but this is something that you have to try. i can tell you that after setting it to more the notes that are in eof hopos are in fof hopos.

btw in I - storm i ride the first hopo problem is with 2:24 minutes remaining

[xaviermlm]

Thanks for this.

[raynebc]

I might be missing something, but is there a way to selectively delete one tempo change? I can set it to the same tempo as the beats around it, but the display rounds to the nearest 100th, and if the displayed tempo is rounded, I could end up with non-matching tempos.

Edit: "Delete anchor" seems close, but not entirely accurate. If I change tempo at a beat marker, and then delete the anchor that is automatically created there, it changes the tempo for other beats because the delete anchor command changed the tempo at the previous anchor instead of just deleting the selected anchor.

Also, I'm not quite clear about what the delete beat option does, does that just move all tempo changes and anchors one beat earlier?

Edit:
Following up with some previously-mentioned bugs, when clicking on the piano roll where no note is, the info. panel shows that note 0 (the first note) is automatically selected. If the note number variable is not a signed integer, then some other boolean flag would need to define whether a note is actively selected. Otherwise note #-1 could easily specify no notes are selected.

The auto-clap that happens once during playback has come and gone a couple times during the course of the song I'm working on, so some condition still exists where this does not occur.

Edit:
Bug report: I've been meaning to mention this for a couple versions now, but the song properties window has an issue where it won't properly scroll the text field if the cursor has passed the edge of the visible portion of the text field. If I am working on a song with a long name, I have to delete characters from the middle or beginning of the title field to verify that the text at the end is what I want it to be. Also, the field selection for all text fields in the various property windows is pretty tricky, given that the mouse Y coordinate must be within the top ~25% of the field's top-most vertical coordinate in order for the cursor to activate in that field. If that percentage could be broadened, it would make it easier to navigate. The menu's checkboxes already implement this (mouse over any of the checkbox or its title and it highlights, ready for a click), so they're extremely easy to use.

[NewCreature]

I might be missing something, but is there a way to selectively delete one tempo change?

"Beat->Delete Anchor" is there for this purpose. It will change the previous anchors tempo because when the anchor is deleted the previous BPM needs to be adjusted to make all the beat lines from the previous to the next anchor (the one after the one you deleted) be in the right place. If you are deleting the last anchor the previous BPM shouldn't change but for some reason it does. I will look into it.

Also, I'm not quite clear about what the delete beat option does, does that just move all tempo changes and anchors one beat earlier?

"Beat->Delete" physically removes one beat line from the chart and readjusts the previous BPM to make all the beat lines fit evenly.

Following up with some previously-mentioned bugs, when clicking on the piano roll where no note is, the info. panel shows that note 0 (the first note) is automatically selected.

I didn't want to use -1 because that would open up some possible crashing bugs. I set it to 32767 now and it works like it should.

The auto-clap that happens once during playback has come and gone a couple times during the course of the song I'm working on, so some condition still exists where this does not occur.

The clap issue occurs when the position line is beyond the last note in the chart. I have fixed it.

If I am working on a song with a long name, I have to delete characters from the middle or beginning of the title field to verify that the text at the end is what I want it to be.

I will look into it.

Also, the field selection for all text fields in the various property windows is pretty tricky, given that the mouse Y coordinate must be within the top ~25% of the field's top-most vertical coordinate in order for the cursor to activate in that field.

I've known about this bug for a while. I'm surprised noone has mentioned it all this time. I haven't found a solution yet but I will look into it some more (Edit: I figured out the problem and it is fixed now).

[jiiiiimmmy]

I was thinking that if there were an option to test specific song parts instead of the whole song it would cut the time of making it. I like to fret a section then test it, but it sucks when your 3/4 of the way through and you have to keep playing the whole song just to test one part.

Well, anyway it was just a suggestion for later releases!
Keep up the good work!
=]

[raynebc]

I was thinking that if there were an option to test specific song parts instead of the whole song it would cut the time of making it. I like to fret a section then test it, but it sucks when your 3/4 of the way through and you have to keep playing the whole song just to test one part.

Do you mean a feature where EOF could export only part of a chart and the corresponding audio (ie. to play just a solo section in FoF)? That would be cool, but they're working on a practice mode, so hopefully soon, we'll just be able to create section markers as "text events" and then practice those sections in FoF.

[jiiiiimmmy]

I was thinking that if there were an option to test specific song parts instead of the whole song it would cut the time of making it. I like to fret a section then test it, but it sucks when your 3/4 of the way through and you have to keep playing the whole song just to test one part.

Do you mean a feature where EOF could export only part of a chart and the corresponding audio (ie. to play just a solo section in FoF)? That would be cool, but they're working on a practice mode, so hopefully soon, we'll just be able to create section markers as "text events" and then practice those sections in FoF.

Yeah that is exactly what I meant to say! haha
It seems like it might be sort of hard to implement this though.
Then again I don't know any sort of coding.
If i had some sort of direction of where to start I would start contributing rather than suggesting things. XP

[blackfriday]

Hahaha noob alert from me! JK, well a noobish question. Is there currently any supported feature in EOF that will let me select more than one not at once and the copy them so I could paste them? Thanks! Blackfriday.

[jiiiiimmmy]

Hahaha noob alert from me! JK, well a noobish question. Is there currently any supported feature in EOF that will let me select more than one not at once and the copy them so I could paste them? Thanks! Blackfriday.

if you left click the first note you want then shift click the last note that you want you can copy and paste those any where.

or you can use ctrl click to copy specific notes.