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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby Kermit4Prez » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:49 pm

Because guitars have five frets until you go to the next string, which is because the guitar tuning is based on fifth notes to make major/minor chords easier to play.

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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby unpurexdoa » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:36 pm

sorry, didn't catch that death au.

In laymens then, no, this theory still doesn't work. the reason they probably set it up like they did is because any simple chord structure ( or atleast the fingers you use in that chord structure :rolleyes: ) Can be simulated. Melodies can be simulated easily to.

say we are playing a major scale. something simple, say... G# as an example?

- 1(Yellow/Blue/Orange) 3(Blue/Orange) 4(Orange)
- 2(Red/Yellow/Blue/Orange) 4 (Red/yellow/blue/orange)
-1(Green) 3 (Green/Red) 5(Green/Red/Yellow)
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-

But remember, because of octaves and all that, this pattern continuassly repeats.

The controllers design is just as Musically thought out as the charts.

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Kermit4Prez wrote:Because guitars have five frets until you go to the next string, which is because the guitar tuning is based on fifth notes to make major/minor chords easier to play.

TADA!

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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby akedrou » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:24 pm

unpurexdoa wrote:In laymens then, no, this theory still doesn't work. the reason they probably set it up like they did is because any simple chord structure ( or atleast the fingers you use in that chord structure :rolleyes: ) Can be simulated. Melodies can be simulated easily to.

say we are playing a major scale. something simple, say... G# as an example?

- 1(Yellow/Blue/Orange) 3(Blue/Orange) 4(Orange)
- 2(Red/Yellow/Blue/Orange) 4 (Red/yellow/blue/orange)
-1(Green) 3 (Green/Red) 5(Green/Red/Yellow)
-
-
-

1) That's rather not the simple way to play a major scale. First you have the C played as 5 on G instead of 1 on B (which in context of a scale makes no sense at all) and secondly, there's a pretty standard 2-octave major scale pattern that moves up and down the fretboard (at standard interval tuning)...

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e                           1 2
B                       2 4
G                 1 3 4
D           1 3 4
A     1 2 4
E 2 4

2) Charts care more about /pitch/ than /fret location/. An octave scale would almost certainly be charted G-R-Y-B-O-Y-B-O rather than R-B-G-R-B-G-Y-B. Try it and see.
3) The controller design was likely considered in two ways - First, Kotti's "5 is a nice number and 1 more than number of fingers you have" and secondly vedi's "5 frets between strings (except B)" (though vedi said G)
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby mayson miller69 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:50 pm

i would think so, but maybe it might not work
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby amak11 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:56 pm

Yet again this is a theory and is not to be taken seriously. This was more of a thought i had while day dreaming. Im not saying that it directly applies to fretting (i should have titled things differently).
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby Rapt0r » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:42 pm

amak11 wrote:Yet again this is a theory and is not to be taken seriously. This was more of a thought i had while day dreaming. Im not saying that it directly applies to fretting (i should have titled things differently).


Just like any post you make.
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby felixdaman18 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:52 pm

OMG, it's just a game, you guys are getting too serious about this.
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby Electro Tomato » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:26 pm

amak11 wrote:This was more of a thought i had while day dreaming.


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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby unpurexdoa » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:15 pm

akedrou wrote:
unpurexdoa wrote:In laymens then, no, this theory still doesn't work. the reason they probably set it up like they did is because any simple chord structure ( or atleast the fingers you use in that chord structure :rolleyes: ) Can be simulated. Melodies can be simulated easily to.

say we are playing a major scale. something simple, say... G# as an example?

- 1(Yellow/Blue/Orange) 3(Blue/Orange) 4(Orange)
- 2(Red/Yellow/Blue/Orange) 4 (Red/yellow/blue/orange)
-1(Green) 3 (Green/Red) 5(Green/Red/Yellow)
-
-
-

1) That's rather not the simple way to play a major scale. First you have the C played as 5 on G instead of 1 on B (which in context of a scale makes no sense at all) and secondly, there's a pretty standard 2-octave major scale pattern that moves up and down the fretboard (at standard interval tuning)...

Code: Select all

e                           1 2
B                       2 4
G                 1 3 4
D           1 3 4
A     1 2 4
E 2 4

2) Charts care more about /pitch/ than /fret location/. An octave scale would almost certainly be charted G-R-Y-B-O-Y-B-O rather than R-B-G-R-B-G-Y-B. Try it and see.
3) The controller design was likely considered in two ways - First, Kotti's "5 is a nice number and 1 more than number of fingers you have" and secondly vedi's "5 frets between strings (except B)" (though vedi said G)


You gotta point, but no matter what theory you use, notes are subjetive, meaning, when you play out your theory like you thought, and it still doesnt look right, you can change it to where it does...
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby Kermit4Prez » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:29 pm

Rapt0r wrote:
amak11 wrote:Yet again this is a theory and is not to be taken seriously. This was more of a thought i had while day dreaming. Im not saying that it directly applies to fretting (i should have titled things differently).


Just like any post you make.

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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby vedicardi » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:54 pm

MattyC wrote:
vedicardi wrote:very few guitars have 24 frets

As a real guitar player of 7 years i can say that's a load of scheizer
24 fret guitars are actually quite common... it's even a standard in some bands (e.g. a7x, dream theater etc)
and the theory wouldn't work, considering you don't always go up frets when you go up a note, for example if you sweeped an a minor arpeggio starting on 5th fret E, according to your theory the chart would go O B Y Y R Y Y B O, and that looks quite retarded when you're actually going up when the sweep goes down and has random doublestrums. yeah i know that is a lot to take in but you should check real guitar theory before you go making silly little theorys. hope that didnt look like a little flamefest :P


obviously metal bands use 24s more than anyone else, but if you go into a store, there are going to be much less 24s than any other variety

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amak11 wrote:Yet again this is a theory and is not to be taken seriously. This was more of a thought i had while day dreaming. Im not saying that it directly applies to fretting (i should have titled things differently).


theories have something behind them. this is more like a hypothesis
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby amak11 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:57 pm

Considering a hypothesis is a theory (accordong to micorsoft office thesarus). If you can remember in your science classes, you are typically asked to write down a hypothesis (or thesis). A hypothesis is a basically a guess on what happens or about what it is. I will change the name to something that suits this topic more
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Re: A conjecture on why we have 5 guitar frets

Postby drihscol » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:56 am

you know it could perfectly work with open strums...
because if it went from fret 5 to open then in theory it should go orange open,
instead of orange orange.
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Re: A little theory on guitar fretting

Postby vedicardi » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:55 pm

amak11 wrote:Considering a hypothesis is a theory (accordong to micorsoft office thesarus). If you can remember in your science classes, you are typically asked to write down a hypothesis (or thesis). A hypothesis is a basically a guess on what happens or about what it is. I will change the name to something that suits this topic more


do you have any idea what a thesarus is for?

and you are basically guessing, so hypothesis would make sense, although I guess your guess wasn't educated at all, so never mind.
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Re: A conjecture on why we have 5 guitar frets

Postby Electro Tomato » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:14 pm

A theory is a collected group of hypotheses that have been proven multiple times.

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